Reflection about revolution.

[commander fury]

I just thought of it.
There was several ones in arabian countries, now there is one in Turkey and one in Brasil...From what they say.

But now, I just ask myself : What more will it bring ? My opinion is that, our society is so evolved, so put upon the animals, we are so advanced in all areas of technlogy, thinking, morality, and our leaders, despite sometimes being not good, at least have enough power, statement, they are known and respected, they hold their countries.

But now, if a revolution happens, there won't be any president or any leader.
The country will fall in chaos, researchs will stop, "brains" will flee it, and people, people wihout leader, will devaste and ransack everything they found, out of anger.
Let's just take an exemple on the past : The French Revolution made my country falling in an abyss of trouble during the next 50 years ! And during those, no improvements really went on.
The Mexican revolution lasted 2 years or so before 11 years or civil war, with billion of losses !
Arab countries who did the revolution are nowadays chaotic, with extremists, guerilla, and militias all across them.
Revolution, when led in an armed and developped country, only engenders death, poor, and minds stagnation.

I am not a royalist, nor a dictator partisan, but I simply find it stupid that people comes nowadays in revolution because of a park or a bus ticket.

What about talking, reasoning, debating with politics ? Because as of now, most of our countries are in fact democratic, developped, high placed ones.
Our technology, our state of mind, our superiority is affirmated.And so on in now all countries, thanks to globalization.

The only needed revolution, were, in the most famous one,were "independence" revolutions, like in 1775 or so, or in 1865 (In the US, but also in alot of countries).

The wish of being free, free from a superior leadership, is a noble reason and valid reason to lead a revolution.

In conclusion : Revolutions are from the past.Our ancestors went to revolution, for noble causes, all across the world.Our nowaday's world is what they wished their world to be.Our western society is a model of democracy, freedom, liberty of thinking.It is heaven on earth, or so.Revolutions aren't of the present anymore.Our leaders must unite to let the few other countries remaining, to lead them to a brighter era, like ours.Now, to avoid any WWI, WWII, colonization, kingdom or empire, we must only try to go firther but without forgetting who, what led us to such a point.

[deadalive200]

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[commander fury]

I am talking about modern revolutions.
Old ones like the American revolutionnary war, the French revolution, the 1917 revolution, all these are fine and only led to good things.

I'm agreeing with you on that one !

[deadalive200]

Ahh...I see where your coming from now.
I..would agree, given that any of these "revolutions" were anything more than revolts.

Now, I see there have been a few that have lead to a change in government, Only Libya, Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen.
Given, that is a lot of nations, but many have been undergoing revolts, a lot more then those whom actually changed.

I can agree with you, In Libya, it has lead to nothing but a worsening of the nation, given, I am a Muammar Gaddafi Supporter, so that might just be my prejudice.

Egypt, nothing but worsening, Tunisia hasn't had much happen with they're switch, they've kinda gone quiet, same with Yemen.
Turkey and Brazil are nothing more than revolts as of now, But that may change, hopefully our comrades in Turkey gain some balls and arm themselves, I'd like for there to be at least one Socialist, Arab Nation.

Given, most of the world is in distress, as a Socialist, I blame this on the failures of Capitalism and of Capitalist Monetary systems.
Whatever the cause, the world is in distress, revolts are going to happen, regardless of why. Revolution, takes time, now, in the defense of revolution, most modern revolutions have happened in, largely underdeveloped nations, most of them being Arab and Islamic, which presents it's own sets of rules and problems. I could go with the idea that a revolution in Turkey or Brazil would bring about an amount of change, dependent on which faction would win in this revolution. These are much more developed, religiously and culturally free nations.
Though, we must also keep in mind, Marx said that revolution would be improbable in Nations such as Russia, or in our case now, Yemen or other Arab nations, yet what happened to Russia?

[commander fury]

I don't think so.
Revolution these days brings nothing moret han chaos and fights.Who will govern the country once the government fall ? Someone cheats at the elections, bad candidate, and then dictatorship.
As I said, I can not agree more with past leaders of past revolutions as I told you in my last post.
But nowadays, with globalization, immediate information, interventionnist countries, andt he level of weapons and the number of propable dictators, that's just a a no-way road.
World is under the cup of capitalism, and it is currently failing, but what about restoring order and "golden age" WITH capitalism.
A complete change is too radical.But if our leaders unite, find together great solutions, to re-launch the production, to annihilate the debt, why not ? The goal isn't to put everyone at equal, rich persons which gained their money honestly, can still live with it and all its luxury, but what is possible, tho, is to provide a decent level of living for everyone - So rich person can be rich as much they want - But nobody is a proletarian.How ? Put everyone on the same level - And it would work nicely in big countries like the US, India or China : Just tax eeryone, retired like veterans, workers like richs, women like men : 10%.If everyone does his job, then the government will have enough money to put money into industries, so they can employ more = No unemployment anymore = With profits, the minimum salary can be raised and then everyone can at least afford a decent life.

Solution isn't nowadays in violence, radical-total change or revolt/revolutions, as it would only bring death and stagnation, and maybe worse like in arabic countries.
Nowadays, as a civilized civilization, I think we are able to move forward with our actual politic,if we can't change the basement of a building because all the floors will collapse, then we'll just change the upcoming floors and how they are organized - This is possible and won't cost alot.-Thru this methaphore, I hope my point of view is clearer.

Revolution in a developped country will only lead to stagnation, secession, and obviously chaos.
A revolutiuon isnt possible nowadays anymore.
Let's just change the politic - Not the system.

[deadalive200]

I stand on the ground of changing the entire system, but mind you this is just how I've raised myself into thinking, like trying to turn an Atheist into a Christian, you need some good fucking luck...

The question of who will govern the nation after it's fall is simply whomever the victor is. As in nations like Libya or Russia, the revolution just simply changed the nation into the hands of the victor.

Yes, now days, revolution is a much different thing, so much more so if it were to happen in nations like Germany or France, Or as you said with interventionist nations, Mexico, where America could simply swoop down and help in their interest.

We are much more centered now, much more populated and connected, the horrors of revolution can now strike us much more clearly than they used to.
Revolution, Is a no way road, yet only for a time.

Any nation that has undergone revolution, changes, they stop doing things, growth stops, intellect stops. This is just how they go.
Yet, at no more a point in history has revolution seemed almost inevitable. Nothing you nor I could really change. The people are angry, they will show their anger.
A good showing of this, if revolution were to break out in America, say the states began breaking up. You do know what would happen to the entire world?

Everything would be different, as much as I'd hate to admit, America is a powerhouse, they have a death grip on the economics of the world, they also are one of the most watched nations on the planet, everyone seems interested in Americas ongoings, If it were to break out into revolution...It would almost indefinitely spread.

Call it a Che way of thinking, but I feel the world has taken one too many steps out of line, as if you fall off the track on Rainbow Road...Your pretty much screwed...
I'll stand with the Idea of revolution for now, for I feel that's just my way of thinking.

I'm just the kind of person were if you tell me the basement to the building is fucked, I just laugh at you and tell you to blow it up and start over...