A dream

[shadowslayer]

To add to myself. I will say this.
I'm more, Not the path to reduce our tech and Humanity itself to become more....I don't really know what your planning afther that, feels and shit i guess
But more the path we will make our lifes so easy with our tech that soon they will be so easy to humans, there will be no need for us.
with that. I'm Communist, thats why I call for revolution. too crowded? just more blood then, is all
Ah well. Humanity will live, part of me hopes this will be the hight of humanitys tech, I could imagine humanity living like this forever, just I know thats what people in Rome used to say

Unfortunately there seems to be no end in sight. Even now we're still coming up with new technologies. (More recent examples being that 'top gun-esque' computer-targeting sniper rifle and... wait for it...

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[commander fury]

You're right Pooka.
We forgot all, we changed so much and made things around us changing so much that we cannot get back or pick a second chance.
You said it all, lol.
The only thing I disagree with you is : The fact to not reproduce.No, we need to continue to reproduce.The Earth will find solutions to regulate the overpopulation.See the dinosaurs ? I think the same thing will happens to us, maybe in a few centuries ? We will be so high in depression, capitalism, discord, fights, wars, money, pollution and all this shit, we western civilization will be so much in our actual comfort, our cells will not be ready for any little disease, but if a big one happens, if something really big and bad happens to us we will all die, no matter our technologies, the last fashion or the vaccins.
Only people to survive will be...Africans.Because they can't afford much things, they still living like savages, they still having their old traditions and technics and it actually works.As they live in rough environments they will be ready for that and I don't think they will even notice a change.And finally, the mankind will birth again from Africa.Why Africa ? I said it.Because North America is already done, like Europe or Asia.South America ? theres still an hope, but when we realize that natives from there made the Coca-Cola drink as their "Holy Drink" because westerners was cutting trees and sheets wich they made their old holy drink with, and that Coca-Cola was so much advertising there that we can start to worry.Finally, if we think well, globalization is the origin of all our bad things.Globalization make global society.Global society make fashions, ultra-techs that package us to forgot the past things and to be the same, it's awful.We are so much worried about the other, so much about little insignifiant things, so much specialized, counting on the other that we aren't free of doing anything.It's such a big thing and an awful thing that I can't even describe it clearly, lol.
Well, anyways, the fact to be so much superficial, to forgot the basics, even with so much technology, I just call that arecession because we are maybe evolving with things outside of us and superficial things that don't help us but we never really evolved with our mind.Our logic is still : "Consume, make war, fuck, consume, make war, die".This has nothing to do with a revolution.
The fact to our "humanity" out of us, to put us implant, or just the "Iphone on the chest" or the Google's glass are revolting me.
But about revolution.Like said Pooka we're too soft, too crowded on ourselves and too packaged to do one.
Maybe we'll just need to work on ourselves, to each go live the life we are intended ton or we want to, to educate our childrens and our grandchildrens to do so, and so on they will do the same with theirs, and etc, etc...If everyone does like this the "High Power" of the world won't have any thing to do with us since we would all live differently from them without consuming alot and without having a so big monetary system that is actually taking so much place in our lives.But again, it is a dream...I have an interesting concept of the best society and I think you both Pooka and Dead would agree on it.
I'll tell you that tomorrow ! (Too tired atm).
Continue to post your opinions, guys !

[po0ka]

Sad thing, you can't just say; k, i take a break at work for a week so i can go to a manifestation; If Everyone does this, nothing will be done, no more trash gathering, no more police, no more products, no more food, well, we can't just let our stuff and say our opinion so everyone will hear it, there are so many persons that it is merely impossible.

Another thing, even if you pss on tv saying your opinion, imagine a gangster watching tv with 2 friends and beers, saying "Haha, look at that tard". People are all different, and some have different reactions, or doesn't care at all. Pre-occupations = other stuffs: Fun and money.

Now i don't really have more to say xD

[commander fury]

Then, what we should do is simply living our live ignoring each other ? I don't think so.We can still work with a normal monetary system like they did in the past.Maybe trade ? For exemple :
Joe provides me vinyls while I provide him carrots;
Jack provides me a turnable and I give him potatoes;
Eva gives me a gun, in exchange I give her 1/3 pelts I collect.
I sell my goods while keeping some for trade and me.
I go to the down, buy clothes, cows, whatever, or go dancing or at the cinema, I go back to my little village and the trade begins again !

We could work like this or simply living the way you want while ignoring the other.
But what about communism ? Don't you think that if the proletarians (By there, I mean the poor peoples), decide to take over a country ? They could start to take the money to the rich to invest it in animals or/and fields of wheat.And then, everyone would be feeded with that.

But that won't annihilate the problem of the overdistributed technology.Plus, the commercials are packaging the youngs users (They made tablets for 2 - 7 yrs old) to be like everyone, to consume and follow the herd of consumers.

So basically modernity is the source of all.

Cars, planes, boats : Money to build 'em, to buy 'em, and to buy fuel each week.+, add to this the number of accidnets, murders, bombs, etc that goes along with 'em.
Within horses, carriages or wagons we could bypass this awful system that forces us to buy, buy and buy more.We will still buy but at a lower price.Without the disadvantages of haveing an accidnet or anything.

Modernity : Useless technologies like iPhones, pods, pads, tabs, etc : Money : Packaging the users : Putting on a sort of "class racism" : The poor who can't or don't want to afford hi-tech things like me is mocked, putted out of the group (I know 'bout that, Im bullied for not being at the last fashion).And we often says that technology brings equality because even a poor and ignorant boy can take off his pad/computer and go on wiki to search infos.Or no, because :

Let's say we pick randomly 100 boys from Asia-Pacific, America, Africa and Europe :
30 won't be educated enough/have skills to do the thing.
30 will do the things but won't go on wiki, but instead reading e-books that kills printers or listening to a stupid music and going on facebook doing stupid things.
5 will do the thing and search for informations.
40 won't have enough money to afford that tech.

Conclusion : Technology only brings more discrimination of classes.

So, moderated communism, in alliance with a total freedom and a little bit of capitalism and my ideal monetary system would to the work.
But will we be intelligent enough to do this all right ? No because some will be against, it could provocate wars or other things.

Therefore, I'm not saying that all the technologies are bad : Rockets, vaccins and medicine tech are good and mustn't be banned because i t helps humanity to evolve in the good direction.

[Nicdel]

I think your view of the world is not realistic at all.

[commander fury]

I think your view of the world is not realistic at all.

Noone is.
Reality conecpt is different in each of us.

[deadalive200]

As the heartless guy in the room, I say kill them all, The people don't know what they want.

[po0ka]

Amerindians had it before we came(2 senses) over there.
Trading was nice.
what i meant by the thing about interraction is; You are 10 to give a bag of supply to a guy asking for them so he can give it someone else.
With this, it is an indirect contact; you don't see who will receive it, it can be someone you hate or don't like.
So, here creates an indirect contact, which is, in my opinion, bad. Because this is how you rely everything on others, and you ask help from others so they do things at your place... And money is probably the result of "how much services i gave to others", so, we abused of this kind of comunication, and now, we don,t even know our neighbors.

[commander fury]

Ok, thx for your opinions all
But now do someone have a real, enforcable idea ? What would you do, as a president or an important person about that ? Any ideas ?

[po0ka]

Depends of the current situation.
First, taking a look at everything, then acting in consequence of what people wants.
I would buy these churches that are now useless here, and make them voting centers, and a church at same time.

This would be easier to have the opinion of a mass.
Describe them the situation, show the propositions, explain them what is what, and make them vote.

That would be better to have a direct democracy, where everyone has a say (textually to have less mess), and a moderator to explain the votes and clarify everything + executing decision.

IPDD
Informed Public Direct Democracy.

[Brotherhood Of Nod]

I will tell y'all what is floating around in my head: tl;dra

[commander fury]

Depends of the current situation.
First, taking a look at everything, then acting in consequence of what people wants.
I would buy these churches that are now useless here, and make them voting centers, and a church at same time.

This would be easier to have the opinion of a mass.
Describe them the situation, show the propositions, explain them what is what, and make them vote.

That would be better to have a direct democracy, where everyone has a say (textually to have less mess), and a moderator to explain the votes and clarify everything + executing decision.

IPDD
Informed Public Direct Democracy.

How would you do with a big country ? To read every person's opinion ?
Well, the idea is nice but kinda unenforcable in such country as Canada, USA, or Russia.Maybe in France or Japan ? Lil' countries, ya know

I have many ideas but...Too lazy to say them atm, theyre so much !
Anyways, continue posting.
Dead come back to the thread pls.Fuck, we love you

[deadalive200]

[deadalive200]

Anyway. I've always been with an idea of direct democracy, having puppets try and tell your idea is about as useful as...well having puppets talk to you I guess?
There are ways to have people vote for something themselfs, done all the time, we can use things like the Electronic Voting done in Amercia and other nations.
Though to me, it all works around a quote Stalin said "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do"

My answer to that was to vote for the person who counts the votes, but who is going to count those votes

[po0ka]

Little childs in schools.
What do you expect? Doctors can't do such things, as well as lawyers, or etc.
Must be innocents that have no "rights" to vote.

Bur yea, good point... The person sees the person he wants to win has 1 vote less than the other, so he just removes 2 votes of the other and burn. ("nobody will see")
That's like, police of the police. police of the police of the police. Etc.
At a certain point everyone gets corrupted.