Actual society/modernity - Best way of life ? Debate

[commander fury]

Hello everyone,
I wanted to create this thread since a bunch of weeks ago, and now that I'm in vacation and have time, i'll finally create it.
It's a debate thread - Therefore, no trolls or shitstorms allowed.You all should at least be upon 14 and be mature persons, so react like one.If you think this is boring then don't read it and don't post "Ahh boring didn't even read".

Rules :
-No troll or shitstorm allowed.
-No immature messages.
-No insults.

Thanks.Now let's begin.Here is my point of view :

I] Society, a nuisance ?
Yes.Yes, because it is bad.Why it is bad ? Because when something is launched by the majority, the dominant parts of the society - the capitalists - everyone follows.See the iPhones ? The mobile phones, the tabs ? I never had one.I've never felt the need to have one.I have plenty of friends and knowings but I can talk with them in real life.Why I've never felt the need of having anything exept my computer, my books, or my food ? Because the two ones are thing that I liked since my childhood.The third is a natural need.Nobody pushed me to have them all.But now that everyone must be "at the fashion of the moment", some falls in the trap and buy.Buy more and more useless things, just because everyone did it.But let's take this case, and transpose it in a darker context, like a dictatorship being created in the country.Everyone will follow it dumbly because they will not saw the real facts of the power getting "elected".And because everyone is doing it, everyone follows.That's why I don't like actual society.But we'll see what is causing all this the scourge of our decade in the next paragraph.

II] Technology, modernism, the leaders of the herd ?
Yes.Now that technolgy is pullulating, with overtimed commercial times, that's why most of the youngs are so weak in their mind, and follow dumbly the fashion.As the commercials are now aiming the young people between 0-17, yes, even from 0, see thoses tabs for babies...That is just awful.Brain, mind, capacity to think is under construction during thoses years of the life.But commercials packs everyone, even babies, to buy, and buy more, and as it become the fashion; everyone follows and that's how the ignorant, or mostly victims of thoses ads, fall in the trap and buy.Yes, buying, commercials pack us to buy, like if it was going to make us happier ! They're even sometimes saying it...You know what it reminds me ? No ? then watch this film : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIp4zUP4PoQ (I know, subtitles are in french and comments too but talkings are in english.That's not french subtitles that are going to kill you).Not convinced ? Then read that book : http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 3238,d.d2k.
That is funny how thoses two lucids masters anticipated the societyu of today, and tomorrow.
But why that didn't happenned yet ? Why our parents or grandparents didn't fell in that trap ?
Because at their time consume society wasn't bad.Because technologies wasn't pullulating.They grew up without it or with a very low amount of it and they wasn't sensible to this scourge, the society.

III] So, is the technology bad ?
Yes, when capitalists use it to pack you like they do at the moment.I find that here is too much technologies, that are destroying books, and mostly, ability to think.Technology is good, but only at little amount.Actual technologies are unecessary.

IV] Is the society really a scourge ?
No, because capitalists, again, use it for their own purpose.Otherwise society can be bad, or goods, depends of the events.

V] What are thoses capitalists really doing to us ?
Capitalists are packing us to sculpt our minds since our littlest age.And they will continue by any means necessary (Actually the pullulating technology and the society) exept if there is a "Mind Revolution" but that will surely never happens from our living.Plus, to force us to buy, they are creating us useless needs : iPads, iPhones, iPods, and all the other tabs and phones.
Society, even 20 years old ago, wasn't asking anything.They was living nicely, dancing, dating, marrying, having childs, going to the beach, dying.They had mobile and fix phones, stereos, TVs, walkmans, discs, vynils for turnables.They wasn't asking anything, but now we can't live without the useless needs that society, technologies, and capitalism introduced in our lifes.And very rare are the people that can go out of that packaging and live normally without thoses useless needs.

VI] If capitalism is so bad, then wich way of life to choose ?
NOT communism.Because humanity is so retarded that moderate communism will never happens.See USSR with Staline ? China and North Korea now ? They are/was all communists but all are/was going in a bad way.
In my point of view, a normal politic system, without overnumerated technologies, where each citizen could go to the town hall/ city hall to elect the next law.It would work like this for each law.And each president, ministery, mayor, would be elected like that.Everyone would be happy.As a president, as thinking of a country, I would decide that the happy level of my citizens, of my inhabitants, are more important than crisis or money;i would spend it all to make my country more free, more liberal, more democratic, I would construct railways, roads, schools, hospitals, I wouldn't care about crisis, only about my people.And once it would be finished, I would push banks out fom y country and make it free from the crisis, I would even make a war if they don't want to get out.My ocuntry would still be open to all cultures, exchanges, transactions, and all.It would still open but with his own money and management.But happiness for my inhabitants FIRST.This is how I see my country, my way of life, I see it more like I want it : Find a women that I love, have kids, live like if I were in the past, share my opinion, show the truth to people, fight, debate, think about it all and finally if I would retire me in Alaska or Africa, or why not Suberia or South Asia ? Free countries free of wars, money, and bank, with the simplest things.

-Thanks for reading.If you see any bad grammar/faults, forgive me.If there's a point/word that you didn't undertsood, ask me.
Thanks again.

Have a nice day everyone, cya.

[Peter Brev]

You took your time to write therefore, I took my time yo read it.
Nevertheless, I don't know what to say.

[po0ka]

I wish to live as a savage. Simple as that.
I can't write my idea clearly, i can only write brides of it as i keep changing my minds about it... So i will list it.

1) The monetary system messed up our life.
2) Along with the overpopulation, more population, more needs, more money.
3) More persons, conflicts.
4) Useless Needs, helps to clear out stress due to industry speedup-to-the-top.
5) Since you are less stressed, they speedup much more.
6) You work in a company for selling products, you are haxing minds to get more money.
7) Things cost more money, so you have to work more.
8) Don't want to pay? You can't hunt animals, or cultivate a terrain without authorisation.
9) Stay confined in a specific zone, work, sleep, work, sleep.
10) Cannot leave where you live, you must work everyday, and you have responsabilities.
11) Pay house bills, you can simply live in the street, as this isn't your territory.
12) Living, everyone wants to live.
13) Be forced to give your organs upon death. (not where i live hopefully)
14) Mindfucked persons can stay alive, and have childs.
15) Stupidity increase, deformations occurs, hybrids of deseases.
16) Get corrupted by your friends with fake news coming from other friends of friends.
17) You must get vaccinated, otherwise you are a risk.
18) Get desease by going in a hospital full of sick people.
19) End more sick than you would have been without vaccination.
20) Take pills to regulate hormones, go to toilet more often.
21) Complain about it.
22) Get no answer.
23) Send a paper to the newspaper.
24) Unknown people take your place, and use your case to sell pills once you die.
25) Get used to the moment river, wear what they sell on the market, even if it's not what you like.
26) Get laughed at because of what you wear.
27) Consume drugs, end up with health problem.
28) Criminals can't go in jail if they are mind retarded...
29) They say that he wasn't conscient of the murder's moment.
30) Normal person doesn't kill. Mind fucked does.
31) End up with shitton of problems, as retarded keeps getting born more and more because they are alive.
32) Stop the mental insulations, as they are bad as they say.
33) Release fools in the nature.
34) Get hit by a car.
35) Pay for the car.
36) Get educated, you need money, work, no. Needs education.
37) You are in a wheel that the society keeps rolling around

Honestly if we all go to Alaska, to a random island, or anywhere in the wild... How much will we be? Crimes, deaths, laws, society.
Good luck forming a new society...

What i think is that you need a goal in life, Earth people must ally and make progress.
Not by taking humans no... programming robots, as these are the workers they want, not us.
We would abuse of robots to live good, but the robot needs electricity, repair... You cannot escape.

Suiciding isn't a good way to go forward in life.
I would be for a world mass desease... But i wouldn't launch it.

[Peter Brev]

More stuff, more money.

[Stuntman0007]

I absolutely hate how people are targeting children with their television advertisements.
It's sick. I don't see how they have a conscience with it.
They're using undeveloped minds so they can make more money.
It's just as bad a scamming, and it gears their minds to be more susceptible to buying things in the future.

[po0ka]

Simple life-style, no corruption.
Please, be hamish without god. xD

Want to start a debate about religion?

[Brotherhood Of Nod]

I am Christan, sir. Pls ban.


Quite abit of threads you are throwin down recently. Wai?

[Aya]

Since I'm in Japan,I use Fukushima nuclear accident as an example.
We didn't need nuclear energy to start with.
We started to use it to save energy cost,to solve Global Warming and shit.
Which caused by us humans.
To take a responsibility of people started to make "a better world" by using technology,we gotta use technology.
How sad is that.
So I say the fact people became more more greedy was a biggest mistake.

About religion.
I'm an atheist.
I do respect all religions though.
But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' but they have no problem with violence.
Parents totally freak out about showing sex scenes to their kids but they have no problem with their kids playing hl,css and watching Saw.

[B.U.G]

Since I'm in Japan,I use Fukushima nuclear accident as an example.
We didn't need nuclear energy to start with.
We started to use it to save energy cost,to solve Global Warming and shit.
Which caused by us humans.
To take a responsibility of people started to make "a better world" by using technology,we gotta use technology.
How sad is that.
So I say the fact people became more more greedy was a biggest mistake.

About religion.
I'm an atheist.
I do respect all religions though.
But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' but they have no problem with violence.
Parents totally freak out about showing sex scenes to their kids but they have no problem with their kids playing hl,css and watching Saw.

I'm Christian 2 and i never heared that bout sex ...
"People make money , not money make people" --->Best way

[Brotherhood Of Nod]

But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' .

Lolwtf? I never knew that...and I am not like...how do I put this...very christan? But we still do a few basics, but my parents basically don't give a shit. My mother may be an athiest, but do I give a shit? Nope.avi

[commander fury]

I'm gonna answer to all lol, so :

@Aya : I totally diagree with Christians on this point too.The action of making love between two persons that love each other is giving pleasure to each.And as long each stay faith to the other, that's all good.But what I disagree then it's the act of fucking.Yes, fucking.That's making "love" between two different persons orm ore that don't really love each others.That's what you can see in porn.

The fact that people became more greedy is bad yes.But the human is like a mule.It needs something big to stop him in its mistakes.I am going to take the exmeple of Hiroshima (Or Nagasaki, your choice) : This city was nuked by the USA, and that killed alot of innocent peoples.More innocent peoples died than japaneses soldiers.But japaneses soldiers, back in the first day of the war, commited rapes, killings in mass, mostly in european-american colonies.They tortured US soldiers.US soldiers, then, tortured japaneses ones.Then japaneses ones started to fight better, and the US ones too.At a certain point, US dropped the bomb.Japan surrenders.Another facts ; killings in the USA : It needed more than 5 to get a president on the case.I think that after Fukushima accident, Japan understood that it was bad and took care of his nuclear plants in a better way.But the fact that revolts me is that Japan payed the high price of the Fukushima's accident because of the earth warm up caused mostly by western countries.See the industry age in the 1850s...And as long I can see, is that Japan never participated to this mass pollution.

Technology isn't as bad we think.Hospitals are curing diseases easier.But what is bad with technology, is that it can disappear at every moment.The guy who stores all his photos, his diaries, his musics, his life on his iPad, a day, if there is a big bug with the polarity reversal that may happen one day, all will disappear.Same for the "humanity" storages.Thoses books, written by Voltaire or Montesquieu, thoses books wich relate the History.All this.It would be LOST ! But if we keep them in their physical state, we would have a chance, if we really take care of them, to save them.
Technology can be very bad too, because we can't mesur the possibilites it haves ! All thoses nuclear garbage...Power plants...Rockets or bombs...When we realize that human have better things to make war than to make peace...

In fact, all the wars are resulting by the inability to use the power of the voice.By talking, between two enemy sides, we can go to a cease-fire or treaty of peace.Or now I see alot of young peoples bullying me because I don't want to fight with them.I am 14, they are 12.I could punch them to the face and make their face looks like a penguin's ass but I'm not doing that, because I am a man of peace.So they are bullying me because I don't want to fight.Some others, at 11 years old only, treat me of fag, ask me if I ever ass-fuck*d a girl or if I smoke weed...
So now let's get back to technology : Technology attacks people.Technology can kill.Capitalists use it to sculpt the mind of the kids.We show more and more violence, or porn, or people smoking, at the TV, series, etc...Now that every child, from 2 to 18, can access freely the internet, seeing their mind sculpted by thoses rapacious capitalists without realizing that they are manipulated, they can watch whatever they like, phone whoever they want, etc, etc...So they think : "I have money, I can buy all I want, all the things that are showed in the commercials are interesting, useful, and I have enough money to buy it so why not.And why working if I can have all I want when I want ?".

In fact, the 2 biggests disease that humanity have is greed, technology, and war.

@Pooka :
You are totally right.I agree with you on all points expt the one that you're saying that a pandemic disease would clear out all the bad things on earth.No, that's wrong ! It won't do anything ! I mean, we need to keep faith in humanity...

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Sorry for my bad english, I'm still learning it.Sorry too if I repeated myself.

So to reunize all thoses ideas...

Money is the worst thing on earth.It goes too far in our lives.It takes so much space that we can't even enjoy simple but good things.
Money --> greed.

Greed -->Capitalists package us to buy all the things they want--> They use technology that pullulates-->They package more and more, they develop brand new rapacious tactics-->they launch discrimination between the ones that don't buy they things, when everyone buys it-->They create us useless needs that make in sort that we can't even enjoy simple and nice things, they force ust o do like the rest of the people, now we are forced to use technology to live.

--> The planet is more and more destroyed, by technology, human greed, because human greed is causing human to destroy and operate all the things that brings him more money.

-->War/Technology destroys us/Pollution/the fact that our way of life isn't sane --> Human dissappears --> Human left a track who has stared the planet.

This is calculated in centuries, don't think that we are going to disappear in 20 years.We still have a long time full of war and pollution and greed and disaster above us.
Money, technology, is destroying us.The human is so obtuse that he continue to destroy himself.

The two films/books that I posted the link in the last post is expressing all the bad-being of the humanity nowadays and tomorrow.
Well, sorry to be so depressive-like, but that's just my opinion if we calculate it in a decade of centuries.
You know, the Roman Empire ? It had a great part of innovation, beauty, and poise.For theh humanity, this period is the past.It was between 1850 - 1914.We took a little bit great step around the 60s but hope fell fast.Now we are going down, even if we think that with technology and money we go up.

My perfect society would be the same than 1900s one.Not too much technology.Only the necessary that makes us pass a great moment.Not alot of money in our lives.Money is only here to buy and sell, no more.Not too much ads.Liberty of think, no packaging.Everyone is free.Every law is voted.

Well, I hope that I expressed my opinions, tough it still not clear, I didn't said it all yet, but I will in the next post
And I keep changing my mind.

So what do you think of it guys and gals ?

[Nicdel]

But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' .

Lolwtf? I never knew that...and I am not like...how do I put this...very christan? But we still do a few basics, but my parents basically don't give a shit. My mother may be an athiest, but do I give a shit? Nope.avi

It's actually just sex before marriage and condoms. Maybe someone was a bit misinformed.

[Stuntman0007]

About religion.
I'm an atheist.
I do respect all religions though.
But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' but they have no problem with violence.
Parents totally freak out about showing sex scenes to their kids but they have no problem with their kids playing hl,css and watching Saw.

I am a Christian-ish. (I go to church but not every week)
and the "don't have sex before marriage" thing is something I don't quite get.
They treat virginity as this big thing that you give to only one person rather than
looking at sex as something you work on and get better at with different people. (Not my wording/ideas there)
I don't know what side I'm with in that argument though.

[commander fury]

About religion.
I'm an atheist.
I do respect all religions though.
But one thing I totally disagree about Christians is 'sex is bad' but they have no problem with violence.
Parents totally freak out about showing sex scenes to their kids but they have no problem with their kids playing hl,css and watching Saw.

I am a Christian-ish. (I go to church but not every week)
and the "don't have sex before marriage" thing is something I don't quite get.
They treat virginity as this big thing that you give to only one person rather than
looking at sex as something you work on and get better at with different people. (Not my wording/ideas there)
I don't know what side I'm with in that argument though.

My opinion is that I will make love with the person that I love, the end.
Not any girl encountered at the disco or a "college" love, but, well, if I get fine with a person, that we love each other, that we know since a long time, then I won't hesitate.Even If I choose to join a religion (My grandparents, father side, are christians, my mother is muslim).

rather than
looking at sex as something you work on and get better at with different people. (Not my wording/ideas there)

It's neither my point of view.I hate persons that considers sex like a skill that we must improve, that the size counts, etx etc.The "I make luv with every beauty chick I see" mentality is disgusting me, I'm not siding with that.

Anyways guys please don't make this a religion thread
We can debate a little on that, but try to stay connected with the subject please.

[po0ka]

Through it was only a debating thread, didn't see the start xD

Well, i know that a mass desease would be kinda drastic, but, we are overpopulated...
Is it better that we almost all die by a desease or that we die of a nuclear war? civil war?..

But as i said, i would not be the person that would launch the desease,
and i would like to survive it... ("everyone except me" concept here...)

Remember the old time with nintendo64? super nintendo? easy stuff what.
You have a low low resulution, and you do enjoy it.
Why? Because you can imagine all what you want while playing.
I play zelda: link to the past, i've already tried occarina of time...
it was kinda bullshit as link wasn't like i thought he was.
I've red a book, i imagined the guy in me head, then, some
pages after, they said he was red-haired and tall. Such easy
definition leads to what? - Not seeing evidences, even infront of your face.

i search for something in the supermarket, i don't look the price and where they are, i search with my eyes, and sometimes i need 2 min to spot what i wanted. Thanks society, loveyou.